By Lorella Angelini, Angelini Consulting Services, LLC
As soon as I met Marybeth Miceli, I recognized that her expertise and knowledge in the field of NDT (Non-Destructive Testing) and bridge preservation were matched only by her great energy and enthusiasm. I had the pleasure to speak with her in person at a TSP2 Bridge Preservation meeting.
You have had a successful career with many achievements and a wide range of experiences. Could you highlight the key milestones of your career?
I’m one of those rare people who wrote their college entrance essay about the need to fix bridges in the United States. I was accepted to Johns Hopkins University. Back in 1995. At the time, I didn’t know what nondestructive testing or bridge monitoring were, but I had read some statistics about bridges and was really interested in the field.
Since Johns Hopkins had an NDE (Non-Destructive Evaluation) Center, I began NDE research as a freshman working with Dr. Robert Green. Then, during my junior year, I interned with the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) at their NDE Validation Center, which was just opening at the time. For graduate school, I attended Virginia Tech, where I focused on NDT of civil infrastructure and had the opportunity to work extensively in the field. I graduated from Virginia Tech with a degree in Materials Science.
After grad school, I began my career as a Quality Manager for Lucius Pitkin, Inc., founded by Dr. Lucius Pitkin and based in New York City. Our team handled failure analysis, metallurgy, NDT, and structural health monitoring. We worked on a wide range of projects, from buildings to bridges, focusing on assessing the remaining service life of these structures. I must say, my overprotective Italian mom wasn’t thrilled when I called her from the antenna of the Empire State Building.
From there, I joined Sam Schwartz Engineering as a Project Manager for the construction of the New York Mets’ Citi Field. I managed various aspects of transportation, engineering, and interagency coordination. The project was particularly interesting to me because I grew up in that area. During my time there, I was appointed as Director of Marketing and Business Development.
I then moved from New York to California to become the Chief Operating Officer of a startup specializing in sensors for detecting active fatigue crack growth. I oversaw both field and laboratory work and managed investor relations. It was a very interesting experience. During that time, I realized that many Departments of Transportation were unfamiliar with structural health monitoring and advanced nondestructive testing techniques. This insight led me to found Miceli Infrastructure Consulting (see LINKS) in 2010. One of my primary goals was to bridge the gap between technology providers and asset owners, helping them communicate more effectively. Despite both being engineers, technology providers and asset owners often have different focuses and also do not share the same jargon.
Since my student days, I had been deeply involved with ASNT, the American Society for Nondestructive Testing. Over the years, I served as chair of their Infrastructure Committee, was appointed to the Board of Directors for six years, currently serve on the Board of Trustees for their Foundation, and had extensive interactions with the international NDT community. This experience with ASNT inspired me to co-found the We-NDT Marketing Network (see LINKS) in 2016 because so many companies were doing great things to safeguard the public but most were unable to communicate their worth in a clear and concise manner.
The We-NDT Marketing Network has been highly successful in helping companies understand NDT, its various methods, and the market landscape. So, in 2020, we launched the publication NDTnow.com (see LINKS), which serves as a headline news source for developments and stories impacting the NDT community.
In 2020, I was appointed Executive Director of the Nondestructive Testing Management Association (NDTMA) (see LINKS). This trade association supports NDT companies by addressing their management challenges, such as HR, marketing, insurance, regulatory, certification and other essential aspects of running a successful business—topics that are often overlooked in engineering education.
So, you are engaged on multiple fronts that include managing the We-NDT Marketing Network, serving as the Executive Director of the Nondestructive Testing Management Association (NDTMA), in addition to running your own company, Miceli Infrastructure Consulting. Could you tell me more about your company?
I founded Miceli Infrastructure Consulting with the goal of bridging the gap between technology providers and asset owners. We focus on a couple of key areas. One is helping asset owners, such as bridge owners and Departments of Transportation (DOTs), write scopes of work with the objective to obtain what I refer to as “actionable data”. With this term, I do not mean large volumes of data, but rather essential information provided by advanced NDT (Non-Destructive Testing) and structural health monitoring (SHM) that enables bridge owners to make more informed and cost-effective decisions.
Can owners use AI or algorithms to analyze large volumes of data and extract key information?
These resources are helpful for an initial analysis of data. However, human judgment is also necessary. By this, I mean engineering expertise to interpret the data and assess its implications for bridge structures and their associated challenges.
Returning to my company’s focus areas, another key interest lies in supporting technology companies, specifically those specializing in structural health monitoring and advanced nondestructive testing. I facilitate connections between these companies and asset owners. I also help them communicate in a way that addresses the owners’ needs. It is important for these companies to keep in mind the following questions: “What value do I bring to bridge owners? In which applications can my technology be effectively used for bridge structures? How can I assist the Department of Transportation?”
As an example, if your customer is a company that sells sensors outside the bridge sectors, you help them understand the bridge industry and the DOT environment.
Yes, that’s correct. This actually brings me to another focus area for my company, for which I coined the term “parallel technology transfer”. Unlike traditional technology transfer, which typically comes from universities and involves licensing fees and all sorts of red tape, at Miceli Infrastructure Consulting we leverage our NDT connections in industries such as oil & gas, aerospace, and nuclear to help transfer these technologies to the bridges. It is true that the bridge industry tends to lag behind these other industries when it comes to using technology for evaluating structures. This is because bridge engineers are often conservative and the bridge sector doesn’t have the same financial resources as sectors like oil & gas.
Could you provide more details on the comparison between the bridge sector and the other industries you mentioned?
In terms of asset management, oil & gas face much more regulation and oversight compared to the bridge industry. The FHWA provides guidance for bridges but does not dictate specific requirements. The last major directive was in 1969, when biennial bridge inspections were mandated. Since then, there have been smaller mandates, such as FHWA requirements for Fracture Critical Bridges or those with Nonredundant Steel Tension Members (NSTM) and Scour Critical Bridges. So, in the bridge industry, for the most part, the single states determine how they will manage their assets.
This is why the Bridge Preservation Partnership is so important. It brings together professionals from different states working in maintenance, preservation, and inspection, thus facilitating exchange of ideas and sharing of best practices.
How did you get involved with the with the Bridge Preservation Partnership?
When I founded my company, Miceli Infrastructure Consulting, one of my first clients was Fatigue Technology, Inc. (FTI), based in Seattle. They are an aerospace company that developed a bushing that gets cold expanded into holes on landing gear. When I saw it, I thought it could work in crack arrest holes on steel bridges so as to increase crack resistance.
When there is a crack on a steel bridge, a hole is drilled at the end of the crack to spread out the stresses and prevent its further growth. However, what often happens is that the crack continues its progression by punching through the hole on the other side. Wherever a steel bridge looks like a Swiss cheese, you can be certain that they are just chasing cracks.
Through laboratory and field testing, we assessed an FTI technology that involved placing bushings into the existing crack arresting holes. By placing the bushings into these holes, the area around them is put into compression, which means cracks can only start growing if the stresses are strong enough to overcome those compressive forces and return to a tensile state.
One of the first states to adopt the bushing technology for steel bridges was Washington in 2011. We had the support of Chris Keegan, who organized extensive field testing. To this day, they continue to use bushings in crack arrest holes. Afterward, a few other states also adopted this technology, commercially known as StopCrack EX (see LINKS).
It was Chris who in 2011 asked us to start participating in the Bridge Preservation Partnership meetings to present the technology. We made presentations, performed demonstrations, and discussed it with bridge preservation specialists.
Is the bushing technology suited for new or old bridges?
It is ideal for older steel bridges. Back in the 1960s, when many steel bridges were built, fracture toughness standards—which relate to the steel’s ability to resist fatigue cracking—were not as advanced as they are today. For this reason, bushings can be very helpful for older bridges.
Do you have data on the additional years of service life that the bushing technology can provide for a bridge?
Based on my conversations with Chris, I can tell you that since 2011, Washington DOT has not experienced any cracks that progressed to the other side of the holes. They did have a couple of bushings that eventually fell out, but no cracks developed beyond the bushings.
Does the Bridge Preservation Partnership play an important role in your work?
Absolutely. Structural health monitoring and NDT are all about identifying a problem at the right time so that the appropriate fix can be made to extend the life of a structure.
I primarily focus on bridges. Some of the companies I work with do tunnels or dams’ monitoring, but my main focus is on bridges, both steel and concrete, and on the DOT market.
I mainly work with technology providers, helping them with their messaging, proof testing, demo projects, and securing federal grant money. In short, I assist them in working with DOTs in a way that benefits the bridge owner, rather than simply providing a technology. So, yes, the Bridge Preservation Partnership is an important platform for my work.
Since the Bridge Preservation Partnership was established in 2010, have you noticed changes in the practice of bridge preservation?
I have seen tremendous changes in bridge preservation over the last 10 years. Even the fact that we now talk about bridge preservation as an activity, rather than just maintenance and inspection, represents a major shift.
I believe the biggest change involves the use of data to make data-driven decisions by bridge preservation practitioners. Whether for inspections, structural health monitoring, or other areas, data has become more accessible and more widely used. This aligns particularly well with the experience of the younger generation of engineers, who grew up with computers and phones at their fingertips, giving them constant access to unlimited information.
The amount of data available about bridges, and the ease of access to it, are significant changes for bridge preservation. This trend is only going to grow over time.
Do you see any roadblocks to expand the adoption of bridge preservation practices?
The Bridge Preservation Partnership is the place where a conversation takes place among the various bridge preservation stakeholders. It is where technology providers and the private sector can engage with state DOTs in a collaborative environment. This is why the Partnership is so important. Also, these conversations take place regularly, through annual meetings and monthly calls.
I think funding will always be a challenge. While it may not be as much of an issue in the immediate future, money is never enough—especially when it comes to preservation efforts. Then there’s what I call the “mindset problem.” I’ve had state bridge engineers, one in particular, tell me: “I already know about a ton of problems that I can’t address; I don’t want to hear about more problems.” That mindset is beginning to change. People are starting to realize that making the right fix at the right time reduces lifecycle costs and extends the service life of structures. Utah DOT has done a great job of this in particular. However, the old way of thinking still persists to some extent among the DOTs and may be a problem.
Sometimes it takes a crisis to prompt a change in the way we do things. This happens in business, but also in life. Do you agree?
Absolutely. I would say that preservation is like getting bloodwork done to check how your body is doing, rather than waiting for a heart attack.
Can you share something about yourself? How do you spend your free time, and what are your hobbies?
I spend most of my free time with my family. I have a 14-year-old son, Sammy, and an 11-year-old daughter, Mary Leigh. The four of us do taekwondo together with my husband, Damien. My son and I have earned our fourth-degree black belts. For reference, our coach, a grandmaster and Olympic coach, has a ninth-degree black belt. In total there are ten degrees. My daughter and husband will be testing for their fourth-degree black belts in November. You’re technically considered a taekwondo master at fifth degree.
So, are you going to be a taekwondo master soon?
We’ll see. It takes four years to reach the next level.
I believe taekwondo is a sport that requires both strength and agility.
Yes, and also flexibility. Olympians have to be able to kick very high.
Also, we live next door to our church. We’re very active in the church and the school.
We live on the west side of Los Angeles. It’s a lovely area. We have eight fruit trees in our backyard, and we can walk to school and restaurants. The weather is wonderful all year round.
I’m originally from New Jersey. I grew up on the Jersey Shore, which is a beach community. However, I don’t miss the snowy winters there.
How does your typical workday look?
I work from a shed in my backyard, which is just doable in Los Angeles. When the pandemic hit, I was already in a good position because I had set up this shed as my workspace.
A lot of my clients based in Europe, especially in Switzerland and Germany. So, I start working at 5:00 a.m. to accommodate their time zones and join video conferences. I’m usually done by 2:30 p.m., which is when I pick up the kids. In the afternoon, I help them with their homework and taekwondo training. Then, I do a little more work for my business at night.
Do you find it challenging to work with companies overseas? They may have a different way of doing business compared to U.S.-based companies.
Since I’m from New Jersey, I tend to be very direct. This helps in my communications with companies overseas. Recently, a European company contacted me about a new technology they were developing. They wanted my help in getting it accepted in the U.S.. After asking a few questions, I realized they weren’t ready for the U.S. market. I told them clearly: “Look, you’re not ready yet. You need to do [this and that]. Once you’re ready, come back to me, because I don’t want you to pay me for something that won’t succeed.”
It’s important to be able to say “no” to potential clients when the conditions for success aren’t there. For me, it’s also crucial that I truly believe in the technology I’m helping to market.
Miceli Infrastructure Consulting – www.miceliconsulting.com
We-NDT Marketing network – www.we-ndt.com
NDTnow.com – www.ndtma.org
Nondestructive Testing Management Association (NDTMA) – www.ndtma.org
Stopcrack EV Fatigue technology – https://fatiguetech.com/products/stopcrackex-(bridge-repair)